As I was talking to the Lord the other day about living in these times, He led me to these two verses: John 12:25 —The man who loves his life will lose it, while the man who hates his life in this world will keep it for eternal life. * and Luke 14:26–27 —“If
anyone comes to me and does not hate his father and mother, his wife
and children, his brothers and sisters—yes, even his own life—he cannot
be my disciple. *And anyone who does not carry his cross and follow me cannot be my disciple. * and I felt compelled to reflect on them, as they seemed to come into
my heart with a special force this time. Because of that, I've continued
to reflect on them since then and it's amazed me at how blind I've been
all these years. I understood before the basics of what these verses
say, just as I'm sure we all do, but they hadn't settled down deep into
my heart and soul. The more I consider them, the more I understand that
we're to actually hate our lives in this world, in comparison to the
life He offers us. It's not just that we're to hate our lives here
though, it's just as important that we love the Life He is offering us,
for if we only have the hate, all that will do is poison us. It's the
love for Him and the Life He gives us, that's will get us through this
life without faltering.
Of course all through the Bible we're told to love God and hate evil, but this goes even further, telling us to hate our lives - the lives we're living right now, and instead, to long for real Life, the Life He offers us through our salvation.
He actually showed me the verses I've printed above in the order I've given them. For at first I was considering that I was only to hate evil, as His Word tells us too, and never considered the people in my life, especially not those I love. After all, I'd just finished praying for the salvation of my loved ones and the loved ones each of you have asked prayer for. How could I hate them??? Yet, He then showed me the verses in Luke. I've always understood that He meant that we were never to place anyone above Him or before Him, but as I considered it in this context, I came to understand it more fully. For I think I have often placed them before Him in various ways. I think we all do.
It reminded me again that our hearts are deceitful and not to be trusted. (Jeremiah 17:9; Ecclesiastes 9:3; Proverbs 28:26; Mark 7:21–23) That in order to truly determine our own motives, we must go to the Lord and ask Him for wisdom and to show us the Truth. For He is the only One who knows what's truly in our hearts, and only He can reveal any sin that is in us. Considering that, the Lord surprised me by reminding me of this scripture: Matthew 18:8–9 —If
your hand or your foot causes you to sin cut it off and throw it away.
It is better for you to enter life maimed or crippled than to have two
hands or two feet and be thrown into eternal fire. *And
if your eye causes you to sin, gouge it out and throw it away. It is
better for you to enter life with one eye than to have two eyes and be
thrown into the fire of hell. *
We console ourselves and say that the Lord didn't really mean this literally, and often rush through the scripture, not looking at it closely, for it seems awfully harsh. Yet it's there for a reason and it goes along with the fact that we're to hate our lives here and hate even our most loved ones if we're going to follow the Lord. He's showing us, yet again, how very important the Life He has for us is in comparison to this life. See, we think this life is the all in all, but it's not. It pales greatly in comparison to Real Life - the Life He has for us. This life is nothing compared to it!
In fact, there is nothing in this life, nothing- including our own bodies, that is worth losing the Life He offers us, or missing out on even one of the great rewards He has for us there! That's why He goes so far as to tell us to cut off our foot if it's causing us to sin, and yet instead, we'd rather stop reading our Bibles and thinking about Him so that we don't have to deal with being convicted of whatever our pet sin currently is.
Just after the above verses in Luke, the Lord goes on in Luke 14:28–33, to tell us that because of all of this, we should therefore count the cost of following Him before we start. Jesus never said that life after salvation would be easy. How could it be "easy" if we're to hate this life and those we love compared to Him and the Life He has for us? Instead, He tells us to count the cost and then, only if we think it's worth it, are we to take that step and ask to belong to Him. For this life will be hard, harder than that of unbelievers, not easier.
How many times and in how many ways does the Lord have to tell us that this life is going to be hard; that the unsaved are going to hate us - not "dislike us", not "just tolerate us", but hate us, before we believe Him? And that includes our loved ones. How often I complain because it's hard, actually thinking I deserve better! Why should my life be any easier then my Lord's life here was? His own family, His mother, brothers and sisters, ridiculed Him and didn't believe Him until after He died and rose again! So why do I bewail the fact that some in my family are the same way, and feel upset, when in fact, He told us it would be this way! Why do I cling to my loved ones or my possessions, (remember how Jesus told the young man to sell all had and follow Him?) or my sin, when they can't hold a candle to what He has for me? It's like wanting a handful of dirt instead of a handful of diamonds!
Jesus finishes His talk about the cost of following Him by again saying: Luke 14:33 —In the same way, any of you who does not give up everything he has cannot be my disciple. * After which He reminds us that we shouldn't start what we don't intend to finish. Luke 14:34–35 —“Salt is good, but if it loses its saltiness, how can it be made salty again? *It is fit neither for the soil nor for the manure pile; it is thrown out. “He who has ears to hear, let him hear.” * This reminds me of when He warned us that we cannot serve 2 masters. We can't love this life and look forward to the next. Instead He says to hate this life, hate possessions, people, including loved ones, even ourselves and our bodies - anything and anyone that comes between us and Him, and put Him, His Word, and the Life He has for us as the only things worth living for. He says this life will be hard, but it will be more then worth it!
I can't speak for anyone else, but looking at my own life, it certainly doesn't look anything like this. Suddenly, it seems that I have an awful lot of possessions that I don't need and that actually do hinder my life in Him. Yet, all the while, I'm wanting "more." It seems that there are people in my life that shouldn't be as well as things; and desires I give in to that I shouldn't. Suddenly too, I seem to feel very blessed, whereas before I was whining about what I didn't have and wanted. He's certainly given me a lot to consider!
Barbara here ( my tablet arrived but it's taking some time trying to figure it out and get it set still).
ReplyDeleteThis certainly hit me square on. I have loved ones and friends, that I fear I put above the Lord. I have been watching shows that are interesting but wrong ( I am weeding them out little by little.).
I used to think the verse said 'if anyone loved - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - MORE THAN ME, but it does NOT say that.
I guess it did seem too harsh to me at the time, but I think i understand a lot better, especially with your commentary.
This is not Leonard/bystillwaters but Barbara/fearnot
Wow, very convicting. I'm going to have to sleep on this! Thank you Cindy. Love, Leigh
ReplyDeleteHi ladies.Cindy,I Miss You!!!!
ReplyDeleteYou won't believe me but I have been praying about this for a couple of weeks and was just thinking yesterday,I hadn't received a reply yet.Here ,might be the answer.What does God think of me,when I so hate this life,this world?It's downright ungrateful!But I think I have been hating this world for the right reasons.I am ready,willing and mostly able to do whatever He calls me to do.Church this Sunday(Hurrah)I had to go to the pain clinic yesterday and prayed Jesus would use me any way He could.And He gave me the opportunity!A man at the drug store came up to me and started talking.I mostly listened and asked the Lord what to say or do.He talked to me about 30 min.(their labeler was down)All about drugs and pushers he knew and weapons he had ,weird.Right before I walked out of the store I told him it was nice talking
to him and I would keep him in my prayers.The rest is God's part.
so,Cindy,was this the answer to my prayer,about hating this life?Or am I really an ungrateful brat?And the man at the drug store.Did I do that right?I don't think I was supposed to talk but James said if you see someone in need and you can,you are supposed to give them what they need with a cheerful heart.Like I said,miss you and the op to talk to you and ask questions.You really don't know what you have til you lose it.But I get to talk to you here and that is better than nothing.Will talk to you later,love Ruthanne
I think you did wonderful Ruthanne! As far as whether or not my post is your answer from the Lord, I can't say for sure, but I would think that it could be at least part of your answer. And no, I don't think you, me, or anyone else is ungrateful for all He's given us here. He tells us over and over that we're to love others, especially our brothers and sisters in the Lord, and it's good to love His creation even. But, it's not to be "first" with us. The good things we have here are blessings from Him to help us get through this life because He loves us. Our real life will begin when we're with Him. Just as He took care of His disciples when He was here before, He is taking care of us until we can be with Him.
ReplyDeleteBarbara, again, I think that's pretty normal for all of us. This life is all about learning to put Him first and to love Him back the way He loves us and mostly to learn just how much He does love us.
I can give one example though of when I've wanted and wished that He would come now and take me from this world, that was for the wrong reasons. I think we all do this though, which certainly doesn't make it right, but at least we know we're not alone. Anyway, whenever I realize that I'm wanting Him to return for us just so I can get away from my problems here, or stop being in pain, I know that's wrong. That's not a good reason to want Him to return. Or rather it's not the right reason. We should desire His return simply because we long to be with Him, not to escape our problems or pain. When I'm wanting Him to return because I want to escape my pain or problems, I'm once again putting them first in my mind. They've taken over the spot that should be reserved for Him and my relationship with Him. It's hard to explain, and I'm not sure if I'm doing a very good job of it or not. But the 1st commandment is that we're to love God with all our heart, minds, souls, strength, etc. and the Bibles definition of eternal life is "to know the Lord", which of course we start to do right here as we study His Word and pray. So, when my problems, or pain (emotional or physical) become more important to me or when I become more focused on them than on Him, it lets me know that I'm focusing on the wrong thing. See what I mean? The Lord loves us so much, and wants us to love Him that same way.. I hope this makes sense to someone, sorry if it doesn't.
Leigh, I'm glad that it meant something to you and hope that it's encouraging to you as well.
Morning everyone.Cindy,I just got ok'd for the pain chat.It gets me through all the judgements of others and reminds me I am not alone down here in Misery,oops,I mean Missouri,lol.And I am so happy wanting to go home is normal.And I understandwhat Paul meant when he said he would love to go home but to stay would be best for others.
ReplyDeleteHi Leigh and Barb,hi,hi.be back later.
That's great Ruthanne!
ReplyDeleteThis is a good explanation of a difficult passage. I was fairly certain I wouldn't like what I read, but you did a good
ReplyDeletejob. You even answered my biggest concern with this answer:
"I can give one example though of when I've wanted and wished that He would come now and take me from this world, that was for the wrong reasons. I think we all do this though, which certainly doesn't make it right, but at least we know we're not alone. Anyway, whenever I realize that I'm wanting Him to return for us just so I can get away from my problems here, or stop being in pain, I know that's wrong. That's not a good reason to want Him to return. Or rather it's not the right reason. We should desire His return simply because we long to be with Him, not to escape our problems or pain. When I'm wanting Him to return because I want to escape my pain or problems, I'm once again putting them first in my mind. They've taken over the spot that should be reserved for Him and my relationship with Him. It's hard to explain, and I'm not sure if I'm doing a very good job of it or not. But the 1st commandment is that we're to love God with all our heart, minds, souls, strength, etc. and the Bibles definition of eternal life is "to know the Lord", which of course we start to do right here as we study His Word and pray. So, when my problems, or pain (emotional or physical) become more important to me or when I become more focused on them than on Him, it lets me know that I'm focusing on the wrong thing. See what I mean? The Lord loves us so much, and wants us to love Him that same way.. I hope this makes sense to someone, sorry if it doesn't."
I was concerned about how a depressed person might interpret this as an excuse for self flagellation. We taught the
kid in children's church to put Jesus first and other things behind them. You are right, it does change your viewpoint.
Pain is trying to grab it back today. Leftside: shoulder, neck, arm and head. PL 8.
lol I love how you said you were pretty sure you weren't going to like it. That sounds just like what I was thinking when the Lord was showing me LOL
ReplyDeleteBut you hit the nail right on the head with the comment about pain too. That's one big area that the Lord's shown me that I fall down in too. Often I put the pain before Him in a number of different ways. One being the way I said, but another with refusing to be content when we're told to be content and to rejoice and give thanks always. Not about the pain - He doesn't mean that, but about our life and mainly about Him. But too often I think of the pain as my life instead of the pain being in my life..or a part of it...know what I mean? So, He's been showing me how to stop doing that and stay on His narrow path.
As far as self flagellation goes, I'd never considered that, but the bible specifically says that's very wrong. I know some catholics get into that, but that's just another area that they've carried way too far just like the pharisees did in their time. Jesus is to be our role model or He says to use Paul as a model and neither of them ever did anything like that and they never would have. It goes completely against what the Lord teaches in His Word. God doesn't beat us up, physically, mentally, emotionally or verbally, and He doesn't approve of it when we do it to ourselves or others.